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PS/SS Final Chapter The Man With Two Faces [2007 Feb. 24th|11:19 pm]
Readdown to Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
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Well, we made it to the end of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone by finishing The Man With Two Faces

Send some thoughts up to Harry in the Hospital Wing before he heads back to the Dursley's on the Hogwarts Express. Previous chapters will remain open for discussion.

If there were any new ideas someone brought up, or if you have any lingering questions from previous chapters feel free to talk about those too.

Tomorrow night we will head make preperations year two at Hogwarts and start Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secerts with Chapter One The Worst Birthday. The post should be up at 12a US EST 2/26/07 so we can all wish Harry a happy twelve years.

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[User Picture]From: incorporeal_x
2007-02-25 05:58 am (UTC)
One thing that either I have looked over or missed or something: Does the real Quirrell stutter?
I also have never liked the way the stuttering was written, but I may be biased since I actually have one.

"To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." Foreshadowing much, Dumbledore?
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[User Picture]From: pica_scribit
2007-02-25 06:19 am (UTC)
Quirrell stutters when he meets Harry at the Leaky Cauldron, which was before he was possessed by Voldemort. I always imagined it as more of a nervoud, hesitant quirk, rather than an actual speech impediment in his case.
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[User Picture]From: incorporeal_x
2007-02-25 06:42 am (UTC)
Yyyyeah that's right.

I guess it would be more a nervousness thing, but I never like the way stutterers are portrayed in books hahah
Stuttering does not equal nervousness and all that.
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[User Picture]From: dolphinluv2783
2007-02-25 08:21 pm (UTC)
"I believe your friends Misters Fred and George Weasley were responsible for trying to send you a toilet seat."

I love, love, LOVE those two! I will be so pissed if they get killed off in Deathly Hallows. :(

There are all kinds of courage," said Dumbledore, smiling. "It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends..."

One of my favorite quotes from the whole series. That Dumbledore has some really wise sayings.
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[User Picture]From: pica_scribit
2007-02-26 12:55 am (UTC)
I'll actually be very pissed off if she doesn't have at least one death that makes me cry in Deathly Hallows. I don't think she'll kill off the twins, though. Even though I did in one of my stories. :p I'm sure there's a special hell for me.
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[User Picture]From: pica_scribit
2007-02-26 12:50 am (UTC)

PS:17 - The Man With Two Faces (Bloomsbury 1997) - 1

I'm caught up for real this time! Yay! And here it is: The climax of the first book -- where the action of the series really gets going. There is some stuff in this chapter I really love, and some that after a number of re-reads, I still don't get.

1) "It was Quirrell." zOMFG!!!1!!1 WTF?!?!?!!! I'm trying to imagine what it was like for people to read those words for the first time. I saw the movie before I read the books, so I didn't have as much time and emotion invested in the story, which is a crying shame, but nothing I can do to change it now.

2) "I wondered whether I'd be meeting you here, Potter." Clearly Voldemort has discussed Harry with Quirrell, and expects him to be able to perform great feats.

3) Quirrell has Bondvillainitis. He must have caught it from Voldemort. Listen to him gloating and spouting his plans when he hasn't even got his hands on his goal!

4) "Quirrell snapped his fingers. Ropes sprang out of thin air and wrapped themselves tightly around Harry." Wandless magic! Quirrell is apparently a bit more of a badass than we thought!

5) Quirrell isn't afraid to say Voldemort's name. Even the other Death Eaters call him "the Dark Lord", but Quirrell says his name, bold as you please.

6) "There is no good and evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it." I've always loved this line, and I think it exactly sums up what Voldemort is: exactly the opposite of Dumbledore.

7) Voldemort's possession of Quirrell. Here we learn it did not begin until after the Gringotts break in, so Quirrell was on his own when he met Harry in the Leaky Cauldron. We do know he didn't start wearing his turban until the next day, since Harry sees it on him at the start of term feast.

8) Voldemort understands Harry. He knows exactly what the Mirror is, and he knows that Harry will want very badly to find the stone first.

9) The Philosopher's Stone. I confess I have never understood how Harry ended up with the stone. Where was it before it was in his pocket? The Mirror doesn't work like that. It doesn't *give* you what you want! Clearly the stone wasn't even in the room before Harry saw it in the Mirror, which meant that all the protections were guarding...nothing, until Harry got there. Dumbledore really could have kept the stone in his pocket, and set up the protections as a decoy and a trap for anyone trying to steal it. It's a great and exciting scene, and a lot of important character stuff is going on, but when you take a step back and look at it, the scene doesn't actually make any sense at all. And Dumbledore's explanation of how Harry got the stone later in the chapter does not really seem to shed any more light on the subject.

10) "Let me speak to him ... face to face ...." Voldemort intends to use Legilimency against Harry, and he needs eye contact to do so. This goes along with my "you can't perform Legilimency without the person knowing" theory. As soon as he maintains eye contact, he knows where the stone is.

11) Voldemort gives Harry the opportunity to choose. How very...odd of him. Harry is his arch-nemisis, so far as Voldemort knows. While winning him over to his side would certainly be a triumph for the Dark Lord, surely it's safer to just kill the kid.
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[User Picture]From: pica_scribit
2007-02-26 12:51 am (UTC)

PS:17 - The Man With Two Faces (Bloomsbury 1997) - 2

12) "but your mother needn't have died." There had better be some bloody good reason for this in DH. Voldemort has killed hundreds, maybe even thousands, in his quest for power. Why would he balk at killing some muggleborn girl? Why would he even care?

13) "Quirrell raised his hand to perform a deadly curse." Where in bloody hell is Quirrell's wand in this scene?! He's going to perform Avada Kedavra wandlessly? Holy shit!

14) Quirrell can't touch Harry. I thought the "old magic" protecting Harry was only protecting him against Voldemort, and yet *Quirrell* is the one suffering in this scene. Voldemort does not appear to be suffering any ill effects at all, except for losing his vessel.

15) The voices calling to Harry. Where are these coming from? I never really paid attention before. Or is this Dumbledore showing up just as Harry blacks out?

16) "What happened down in the dungeons..." So they were in the dungeons! Isn't that where Snape lives?

17) "I see you are not to be distracted. Very well..." Dumbledore tries to avoid telling Harry the details of what followed his blackout. An old man's mistake, trying to protect someone he has grown fond of.

18) "After all, to the well-organised mind, death is but the next great adventure." I hope you're enjoying your adventure, Professor. We will miss you. I like that Harry found these words worth remembering, since he repeats them to Ron and Hermione. It shows how closely he pays attention to Dumbledore and how much respect he has for the headmaster's wisdom.

19) "Call him Voldemort, Harry. Always use the proper name for things." And yet, Dumbledore always calls him "Tom". But I guess that would spoil the surprise in CoS if we already knew Voldemort was once called Tom.

20) "Not truly alive, he cannot be killed. And there we have the main problem which Harry must overcome.

21) "He left Quirrell to die." Dumbledore announces Quirrell's death a long ways into this conversation. I think he was reluctant to bring it up.

22) "He shows just as little mercy to his followers as his enemies." And that, I will swear to it, will be Voldemort's downfall. Fear can only inspire so much loyalty.

23) "Why would he want to kill me in the first place?" Was it the right thing to do for Dumbledore not to tell Harry about the prophesy here? Would it have been too much pressure on an 11-year-old? Would it have inspired too much self-importance?

24) "To have been loved so deeply [...] will give us some protection for ever." Bullshit. Then almost everyone would be safe from Voldemort and killing curses would be rebounding all over the place.

25) "And then, your father did something Snape could never forgive." Ah, the first reference to The Prank! The stuff of legends! Also, I don't believe for a second that Snape felt he owed James Potter anything. It makes a lot more sense if Snape protected Harry for his mother's sake.
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[User Picture]From: dolphinluv2783
2007-02-26 03:54 am (UTC)

Re: PS:17 - The Man With Two Faces (Bloomsbury 1997) - 2

"your mother needn't have died"

I've always wondered about this too. I don't know that it was so much that Voldemort was going to give Lily the opportunity to live. I think it's more that he was just saying that to Harry to persuade him at the time. I can't imagine that Voldemort, having killed so many others, would let anyone live. Unless he was also trying to get her to come over to his side (because of her potions abilities, perhaps)?
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[User Picture]From: pica_scribit
2007-02-26 04:02 am (UTC)

Re: PS:17 - The Man With Two Faces (Bloomsbury 1997) - 2

Well, we know from PoA that Lily really needn't have died. When the Dementors crowd in, we repeatedly hear Voldemort telling Lily to "stand aside". And why would he need her when he's already got Snape? Or at least he thinks he does....
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[User Picture]From: pica_scribit
2007-02-26 12:52 am (UTC)

PS:17 - The Man With Two Faces (Bloomsbury 1997) - 3

26) Dumbledore's timeline. There were no Every-Flavour Beans when Dumbledore was "in his youth". Bertie Bott was only born in 1935, when Dumbledore was already probably more than 80 years old.

27) "Harry's gone after him, hasn't he?" How did Dumbledore know? I mean, it was probably obvious when he arrived at the Ministry that he'd been sent on a wild goose chase, but that is a very specific question for him to be asking. He says "him", implying he probably knows who is after the stone. Did Snape get a message to him somehow? Or McGonagall?

28) Dumbledore's permission. I like the trio working out that Dumbledore had given them the chance for the adventure. But we're still only assuming he did, along with them. After all, he never confirms this.

29) The photo album. *sniff* What a wonderful gift for Harry. Poor Remus must have a lot of blank spaces in his own albums now. I wonder who else Hagrid got pictures from? We don't know the names of any of Lily's friends, and of course Hagrid wouldn't have contacted Sirius and Peter.

30) The House Cup. I actually think that was a pretty awful thing to do to the Slytherins; letting them think they had won when they must have worked hard to get all those points, and then snagging it out from under their noses at the last minute. I would have been well pissed off. Not that the trio and Neville didn't earn every one of those points. He could have given Harry only 50 points and called it a tie, even. It would have been a lot fairer for Dumbledore to have let Gryffindor have a head start the next year.

31) Neville. Aww...he's never won even one point before? But he gets some later, doesn't he? I do like that Dumbledore awards his points last, so that it's Neville who puts them over the top. It gives him proper recognition for his own brand of heroism.

32) Wandless magic. Dumbledore claps his hands to change the house colours, just as Quirrell did to perform his magic. But it doesn't seem the clapping or snapping would be necessary for wandless magic, unless it acts as some kind of energy focus.

33) How do Crabbe and Goyle manage to pass exams? I can't imagine them studying, but I guess they must turn in their homework along with the rest.

34) Trevor sighting! In the toilets, eh? Spying on people or already hunting down the Chamber of Secrets?

35) First years leave by boat as well. Just thought it was interesting.

36) Ginny! I like Ginny. Especially after she grows a personality in OotP. It's funny that she's all bouncy and yelling about Harry at King's Cross, but when Harry comes to their house a couple months later, she can't even speak in his presence. And I remember exactly what *that* was like. :p

...And...we're done! Off to the Chamber of Secrets after midnight (and the Oscars) tonight!


Incidentally, I've expanded on my own version of the "McGonagall is evil" theory in my journal today. It was fun. To summarise: What if McGonagall is Voldemort's sister? No really; at least read what I wrote before you tell me I'm on crack.
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[User Picture]From: pica_scribit
2007-02-26 05:37 am (UTC)
I just wanted to say I've enjoyed your little postings for each of these chapters. I like that you've not just posted the chapter titles, but made reference to things that happened in the text.
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